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Hi Folks
,
As you know I’ve been a bit ‘off the radar’ lately…I thought I’d touch base and let you know some of what I’ve been up to…
I’ve been checking out some stuff on Climate Change…and some of it is heartening indeed.
Owing to my usual tendency of having a lot to say, I thought I’d spare one fella a double dose of diatribe and post my second comment here in response to his blog. Also I reckoned my response was good and that you good folks might be interested to get into a more tangible discussion about Climate Change. Though I must say that just over the past couple of weeks, some discussions (like those referred to herein), have become more tangible, relevant and potent.
That said, this is hardly doom and gloom…perhaps naively I credit folks with a bit more intelligence than some would consider either reasonable or safe…but if folks are gunna panic and turn-on each other, I reckon if we get that crap out of the way while we have some capacity to deal with it, rather than if/when the pooh hits the fan, then we’ll have a better chance of growing some flowers instead just having great piles of pooh…whadyareckon?
Ok! Wade in and see what ya think. As I said, I’m keen for a ‘real’ discussion on this and I hope you are too…
That fella’s name is Cameron Reilly. He runs a site on The Podcast Network called No Illusions with Cameron Reilly (as far as I can tell, but I could be wrong. I’m sure Cameron will correct me if I’m wrong
). He wrote an excellent piece called Ethics v Economics. Following my first comment on Cameron’s blog, he made a fine comment in response (included below), inspiring my reply which constitutes both the bulk of this article and it’s raison d’etre:
This is Cameron’s Comment in response to my first comment (I hope you guys are following this. It always sounds a lot more convoluted when trying to explain stuff like this in writing…it’s buckets easier if you just have a look
):
Cameron said:
“Okay, now that we’ve cleared up the nature of our familial connections…
You finish with “what hope have we really got of actually implementing anything meaningful and actually useful in a timely manner?”
Human history abounds with stories of people doing amazing things when they needed to. Even in the 20th century, the peoples of the USSR, Germany and Japan somehow managed to re-build their countries after the most horrific of tragedy of WWII. I’m hoping it won’t take massive scale tragedy before we get our heads out of the sand regarding climate change and engineer a similar-scale turnaround. It will take leadership, though. And that’s something we are sorely lacking in Australia. Not just in the political scene – in the corporate and social arenas also. We need a generation of leaders to rise up and make the case for change on a national scale. And if WE do it, perhaps leaders will rise up in other countries. We might say Al Gore has already taken that role in the USA. We need more leadership, though.”
I then posted a brief reply to Cameron’s excellent response, pointing him here where I can waffle akimbo on my own turf
:
And then I replied with this:
Re: “Human history abounds with stories of people doing amazing things when they needed to.”:
Indeed, I whole heartedly agree. Yet, as I see it, the operative term here is ‘needed to’.
I have recently had the pleasure of reading the work of and engaging with Mr. Paul Gilding & Professor Jorgen Randers. In their bold draft discussion paper – ‘The One Degree War Plan’ (http://paulgilding.com/ )– they make the following observation:
Re: “I’m hoping it won’t take massive scale tragedy before we get our heads out of the sand regarding climate change and engineer a similar-scale turnaround.”:
I believe, as indicated by the above quote from “The One Degree War Plan’, “that we are already facing a civilisation-threatening crisis.”
There are rafts of reasons that our Climate Models are unable to accurately predict impacts. Generically it is attributed to the number of variables. Our scientists have been saying for many, many years that ‘Climate’ is not just about the weather.
If the current state of the planet is not a massive scale tragedy I don’t know what is. I’m with you though…I’m hoping that the current millions of deaths scattered across the planet as a result of hunger, war, homelessness, ‘good government’ etc, doesn’t turn into billions more deaths due to a sudden catastrophic event or series of events.
I’m also of the view that the loss of one life, or even a single depressed person, is a massive scale tragedy. In a world where all is interconnected, ‘Proximity’ is nothing more than a convenient disclaimer.
Re: “It will take leadership, though”:
Ah yes! Good ol’ leadership. I agree with you in principle. May I take it a step further by suggesting the term ‘Right Leadership’ (and no I don’t mean Right ‘Wing’
). I mean that we would need the right leadership.
How can that happen within the constraints and mechanisms of our current paradigms? With our current mindsets, labyrinthine protocols, procedures and corruption (Oops! Sorry, I meant honouring of ‘Conflicts of Interest’), what capacity do we have of even recognising a ‘right leader’, let alone getting him or her into a position to lead or keeping them there (insert Jesus, J.F Kennedy, Ghandi, Mandela, Gough Whitlam & Lionel Murphy here)? You mentioned Al Gore. Again, I agree…but is he a leader for the USA? He’s been at it for how long?…40 years? And still some countries and many from the US Corporate Sector especially, won’t even talk to him…
Along with our shared long term concerns, I have some that are a little more short-term. It would be great if suddenly we got all of the right leaders in the right places…but how long would it take for their effect to be realised using current paradigms? How long would it take and under what conditions would new paradigms be deemed acceptable to ‘the mainstream’? And what happens in the interim?
Only last year the President of the United States stated publicly that the Economic Paradigm that we have worked with for the past century has failed? What was our response? Business as usual? It would appear so.
I have no doubts about humanity’s resilience following a crisis. What I’m worried about is the damage humanity might inflict on itself as a crisis approaches…or in this case, as the conditions of the crisis gradually intensify.
Even if the economy does unravel (and in my view it started unravelling the moment we began releasing money into the market place as debt rather than credit), I have no doubt that humanity will survive; but how many people will be lost during the process? Or to put a positive spin on it; how many people will live happily through such a transition?
For me, your excellent blog article poses the question, are we having the right conversations?
Clearly we are not. But how long will it take to debate and come to a functional and effective agreement from the endless nuances of different disciplines, philosophies, terms, definitions and vested interests (given that it’s taken us this long to get to where we are)?
What is the goal of such debate? An agreed reality? Isn’t that what the ‘world’s best’ are supposed to be creating in Copenhagen? And on day one, what was the main barrier to negotiating an agreement? Who pays for what? And part of that still appears to hinge upon a continuing debate about whether or not the issues we face are attributable to human activity? That’s like being electrocuted in a power station during an electrical storm and refusing treatment until the First Aid guy determines whether the bolt of electricity came from the sky or the station!
Now I don’t pretend to be an expert on International Trade or anything like that, but if I was an investor from another planet and a bunch of Earth fellas turned up and slapped ‘The History of the World – 20th Century’ on the table as a Business Plan in the hope that I would invest, my assessment would be something like this:
You have a planet/company that doesn’t even trade with any other planets/companies and yet it is in extreme debt. Where has all the money gone? Its legal context is that of a non-corporeal entity (therefore either imaginary or divine), that has full legal rights; so the management bare little or no legal responsibility, accountability or consequence. It’s insured by Insurance Companies that it owns, and it interprets its own underwriting against reference points called ‘Acts of God’ (also interpreted by the legally immune management). The current condition of the site & infrastructure provides unassailable physical evidence (contrary to the documentation), that the management has pretended to know what it was doing when clearly it didn’t, and has maintained that pretence at the cost of it’s own people and capital assets…and the management change the terms and conditions as it suits them. No, I think I’ll pass on that one thanks.
Is it possible to end a circular argument? Or does something from the outside have to break the circle so that it can become something else?
Cheers
Stephen G